Gord the Rogue
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Clangador wrote:
I remember reading those.
I have one around here somewhere. I'd be happy if they were reprinted.
I am delighted about the
seven Gord books being reprinted in hardback.
I am most sad that the plans for graphic novels drawn from those books hit the skids. The market for comics and graphic novels went into the dumper, so the prospective publisher was forced to cancel the series he had planned.
Damn, but there were some really great ilustrations of the city and all.
Maybe someday Broken Halos will be able to resurrect the project.
Cheers,
Gary
SemajTheSilent wrote:
Noted. Thank you, sir! 
As an aside, and a possibly
amusing anecdote, when I was writing (by typewriter) the early Gord novels,
I was suffering a lot from an abscessed tooth plus a sinus infection aggrivating
it, caused by the tooth, who knows? So I dropped a lot of Sudafed and swilled
Jack Daniel's Black Label bourbon as I worked. Gail was appalled, but one
of my associates laughed and said I was doing my Damon Runyon impersonation 
Cheers,
Gary
SemajTheSilent wrote:
LOL! Well, Fleetwood Mac
made their best music while on cocaine, so who knows.
I'm not advocating that...just
pointing it out. I really enjoyed the Gord novels, so hmmm....
Indeed, the liquor made me
consider penning a detective yarn about a hard-drinking PI so as to truly
follow in Runyon's footsteps
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by tylerthehobo
Hiya, Gary,
I just wanted to drop an
"Attaboy!" your way, after reading the new Gord the Rogue story that was
released with K.R. Bourgoine in the pages of the Dragon 30th Anniversary
issue. Great stuff! I hope we'll be seeing more of our favorite rogue of
Greyhawk? I think before the server crashed and we lost some of this thread
you had commented that there was a potential for more stories, and also
possibly an omnibus of the Gord books - that still sound plausible? (Or
am I completely misremembering the thread? 
)
Good Afternoon
Thanks for the good words. Indeed. K.R. Bourgoine and I are going to discuss springboards for further Gord the Rogue short stories at the Lake Geneva Gaming Convention, 9 - 11 June. the next semi-planned tale is one where Chert joins Gord in his adventures.
Troll Lord Games is in process of readying to publish the seven Gorn novels in hardback. If a sufficient number of short stories are written hereafter, likely they'll be compiled with s few new ones and "At Moonset Blackcat Comes" to make an eighth volume.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRBourgoine
Gary,
What are your thoughts on the final publicated version of "The Return of Gord"?
<big grin>
KRBourgoine
Howdy Pard!
The editing of the story
was about average in terms of destruction...nowhere near as bad as what
Mongoose did to what Creffield and I wrote for them.
The positive side is that
the yarn can eventually be published in generally uncut form.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by dagiz
Gary -
Wanted to say thanks for
writing another Gord story - those books and novels were the first ones
that I ever really read and what my dad used to get me to read. I still
have them on my book shelves (my wife wishes I didn't). So thanks for the
novels!
anyways, I was curious to see how you balanced out realism vs. fun, making sure that there was a degree of believability without it getting too tedious?
Thanks!
You need to thank Bourgoine
for the latest Gord tale. He was the one that encouraged its creation and
took the lead.
As for crafting a yarn, that's a good deal akin to GMing an adventure for a group of players. If you know your genre and its parameters, then the task is one that is a matter of common sense. Adventure, excitement, and danger are usually more important than actual verisimilitude in short stories. In novel-length tales all that and a good deal of character development should be developed.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by airwalkrr
Speaking as the author of
Keak's converted statistics for the Living Greyhawk campaign, I am quite
interested to hear you mention him as he is one of my favorite GH villains.
This actually brings up a fairly silly question however which several of
my friends and I have debated. Was it intended to be pronounced "keek"
or "kee-ack?"
Obmi is also one of my favorites. Thanks for inventing such lively (and deliciously evil) characters! You might be happy to hear that the names of both still strike terror and hatred in the heart of hundreds of LG players.
Salut!
My pleasure to have struck a chord with Obmi and Keak.
As "keak" means to to cackle, it is pronounced as a single syllable, keek.
Finally, considering the number of persons that read the Gord novel in which they appear, the number of G# modules sold and re-sold, I do believe somethink like hundredsof thousands have been introduced tio those villians and despised them <EEK!>
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steverooo
I always wondered, why all
the re-writes on the Gord series? Stuff like whether or not he buried the
"old woman" who raised him (in the first version he leaves her body in
the street, in the second he returns to bury her), his origins (guttersnipe
to Bastard-Prince of the Cat-Lord), etc. I know this was Post-T$R, but
why the changes to the tale?
Heh...
There were no re-writes at
all
Changes? No way. I consider them elucidations of partially detailed scenes as viewed from a different and more comprehensive perspective. The information relayed in City of Hawks is revelation that supports the overall storyline, elements therein that would have been incongruos in the initial two novels.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexor
the Mighty!
Hi Gary! Just wanted to
say I finally started reading City of Hawks, and just 10 pages into it
I am reminded how much I enjoy your D&D related fiction. Your descriptions
of Greyhawk City are wonderful for my game and the planar politics of the
Gord novels is what I base mine on when I run the Greyhawk campaign. I
used Vuron in my last campaign as he tried to use some friendly help to
start the Paladin of the group down the path to corruption.
Howdy Flexor!
Perhaps you recall me mentioning illustrated novel versions of the Gord books. Sadly, the state of the market in the US for comics and illustrated novels flushed that deal. I mention this becase the illustrator for the initial episode to introduce the story used City of Hawks as his basis, and the depiction of the boat with infant Gord in it approaching the looming walls of the city in the storm was just great in my opinion. The producer and illustrator had it nailed as far as I was concerned, so I was doubly whammied when things went south.
Cheers,
Gary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airwalkrr
From what I know, Gary did
author some Gord the Rogue novels after the fact. Plus, I believe he also
collaborated in the Dungeon update of Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure,
"Maure Castle." He also recently did some Gord fiction for Dragon. Correct
me if I'm wrong on any of this, Gary.
As an aside, how do you pronounce
Yggsburgh? 
That's right, and I own
the rights to all seven Gord books as well. I was not a collaborator for
the update of the MFA module, though. One Gord short story has been run
in Dragon magazine, and K.E. Bourgoine and I are working on the precis
for a second new tale now.
Yggsburgh is pronounces "EGGS-burg"
Cheers,
E. Gary Gygax
Quote:
Originally Posted by dead
Hi Gary,
Will there be a map of your Greyhawk city in the new Saga of Old City release?
Thanks
Heh,
Sadly, no, as a detailed one was never done. I winged it from first a one-page map, then a general four-page version. The vast detailed map that was to be around 4' by 6' when completed was never finished, parts of it languishing somewhere in the basement storage areas here.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thulcondar
Also, on a somewhat-related
note, I am currently having the pleasure of re-reading "Sea of Death".
I'm wondering what relation the Eclavdra therein has to the Eclavdra featured
in G3 and the following modules. Is it possible that, once clan Eilserv's
plans were undone, she switched her allegiance to Graz'zt in an attempt
to regain some of her lost status? Was Graz'zt perhaps masquerading as
teh Elder Elemental God all along? It's of course entirely possible that
it's just artistic license on your part, but I do enjoy trying to suss
out these sorts of apparent conflicts...
I can not speak to things
related to the A/D&D game, but I can comment on the book's plot. When
their efforts to free the Elder Elemental godfrom exile were thwarted,
Eclavdra did indeed switch her allegience to a demon so as to remain powerful.
The term Chaotic Evil suits all of the Drow well.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypersmurf
Gary - in Saga of Old City,
Gord at one point plays a card game, with coloured cards including Crown,
Coffer, Sword, Spear, Bow, Horsehead, Dwarf, Elf, Thief, Priest, Sigil,
Tower, and Gate. Combinations include the Host, Allied Host, Mage, Archmage,
and Five Towers, detailed in the scene.
Did you ever create this game in full detail, and play it? Are there ranked lists of combinations available anywhere?
Do all cards appear in all colours? (From memory, the text implies multiple Coffers and Gates exist, for example, but refers to 'The Thief' - are there Thieves in Red, Green, Blue, White, and Black, or just the one?)
-Hyp.
Hi!
As a matter of fact I have
been asked about the game of plaques before. When I was writing the tale
I made notes of for dramatic effect only, so I did not create a whole game.
The colored plaques are
noted in the story. The Thief and some other like ones are singular and
in black...IIRR.
If you venture to create a whole game from the information in the yarn, feel free to embellish as you find suitable, and do please send me a copy of it.
Cheerio,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedungeondelver
You know it isn't that hard to envision. I see a game like poker where certain pairs and upward combinatinos of like card faces have higher values. For real fun twists, given the fantastical nature of the game you could even throw in "Fizzbin" like rules - e.g., if Luna is Ascendent and it's Growfest, Two Towers and one Sword beats Four Elves, etc. etc.
Of course I'm no game designer
but I'd play. 
Even if plastic were tp
be substituted for the ivory when making the plaques, the cost of making
the game would be prohibitive. Of course regular-sized playing cards could
be produced with the correct artwork for the game. Sadly that would still
cost an arm and a leg...one of the reasons I did not attemot to create
a working game when I wroite the story.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gentlegamer
I just started Saga of the
Old City, and of course, Artifact of Evil is next.
I have the following other Gord the Rogue books:
Night Arrant
City of Hawks
Sea of Death
Come Endless Darkness
Dance of Demons
What is the definitive order for reading the series?
Heh!
Just as you list them, but City of Hawks can be read before Night Arrant without any problem.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by T.
Foster
... Surely you wouldn't
consider retrofitting Gord into Wizards' current "canonical" Greyhawk!?
Heaven Forefend!
Should I actually write another gord short story, it will be set in the City of Greyhawk and recount an adventure with some shady associate of his from that time in his youthful manhood.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron
Any chance you would be
able to revise the nomenclature in the novels to make them consistent with
Greyhawk? I hope WotC will not complain if you manage to reprint the first
two that were published under TSR' brand neither will ask you to take off
the references to Greyhawk, like the latter ones.
That isn't exactly accurate.
First, I own all the Gord material, including the two books published by
TSR. Second, there was an agreement with TSR regarding use of names from
their copyrighted work, and the wording is in the five later Gord novels.
That said, I have no interest in altering the names that appear in any of the seven books.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
Mouser
Colonel,
I recently reread the Gord the Rogue series of novels (quite good, btw although I need "City of Hawks" and "Dance of Demons" to complete my collection). I really enjoyed them, especially for the image of Greyhawk and Oerth that they give the reader. However, one thing has bugged me for low these many years:
How did you come up with the name "Gord" for the main protagonist?
Don't get me wrong, I like the character and think he portrays a thief character rather well. It's just that every so often I get the urge to refer to him as "Pumpkin." No offense intended!
Gray Mouser
Heh!
Mouser, I didn't name him Gourd now, did I?
Joking aside, I pondered
what to call an orphan left with no name and raised by a vile old harridan.
Then it came to me.
She just called him "boy"
most of the time, but when she was irritated or angry she would thump him
on his head and say "gourd," as if he was as stupid as a vegetable.
So the poor lad assumed
that name, but as "Gord" as in short for Gordon, perhaps.
Leena was a really rotten human being...
Cheers,
Gary
Originally Posted by JohnRTroy
That's actually a plot point
covered in City of Hawks, so I doubt Gary would want to spoil that for
you.
Oops, look like I posted just as Gary did. D'oh!
Hi JRT!
Not much of a plot point,
actually, more a detail of how wretched Gord's life was as a foundling.
Knowing how he got his name
doesn't reveal the plot of the City of Hawks story
Ciao,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexor
the Mighty!
Hi Gary!
Is TLG still putting out a reprint of Saga of Old City in hardcover? I loaned my copy to my dirtleg brother and he lost it. I can't access thier site from work though.
Ho Flexor!
Yes indeed, the Trolls plan to have Saga' in hardback available at GenCon when I can autograph them. Next will be Artifact of Evil sometime this year I believe, then the other five in the series.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexor
the Mighty!
You ever consider writing
some more Gord tales?
I co-wrote one gors short
story with K. Bourgoine for Dragon magazine last year. We did another
but it was turned down, and I haven't felt like doing a re-write.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexor
the Mighty!
whoa, whoa, whoa!
Revised? Spill it Mr. Gygax, what does that mean? You better not be going Lucas on us. Did the Beggarking drop the chest on his own head now?
Slightly revised.
I wanted to remove all the unnecessary violence and replace it with negotiation,
acceptance of diversity, Gord hiring lawyers to avoid legal troubles, and
peace at any price 
Seriously, I just went through the original ms. and made a few grammatical corrections and even fewer text changes in order to make the story more clear. Anyway, never fear, I doubt that you'll notice.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by tylerthehobo
Ah-whah?!? Wasn't the return
of Gord story a huge hit in the magazine? I mean, at least the letters
columns and boards were humming... You and K.R. Bourgoine did a great job
with that one - I was hoping for more. I hope Paizo reconsiders and gets
more of Gord back in circulation...
The reason was that the
characters and dialog were not sufficiently "Gord-Like."
That means that the tale
needs a revision as to the key problem, how a new character is presented,
and some punching-up of the dialog. Perhaps then it will get a nod from
the Kindly Editor...
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by tylerthehobo
Well, I know a lot of us
are looking forward to more Gord. Good luck with it, Gary. I hope we see
more Gord not just in novel form but also shorter pieces in Dragon and
such. 
Kerry B and I are now exchanging
email messages in regards a revision of the completed story and a springboard
for a new yarn. A full novel about Gord is a poser, for his life is pretty
well covered in the seven existing books. Perhaps a grand adventure by
young Gord--that is in his late teens or early 20s--might be possible.
Otherwise, a post-destruction epic can be done, one where a parallel Oerth
exists, but that might infringe on WotC copyrights of the WoG setting.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voadam
I'm sure there are also
plenty of opportunities for Gord to enter demiplanes or such at various
points in his career, planes where time does not pass the same and creatures
within do not age.
There is, after all, a literary tradition of people entering timeless fey domains for long periods of time only to emerge and find that only a night has passed.
That is so. Following fays
into their passage under a rock brings one to fairyland where the beautiful
females beguile one.
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcas
Obviously Gord should be
teleported to Lejendary Earth. 
The miliew of LEarth is
not suitable for the premises upon which the Gord yarns were constructed...
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by mordelack
If it counts for anything, I did just get a message from a Gord fan saying
this:
"Elminster vs. Gord. How
could that possibly go wrong? 
C’mon…you don’t think Gord vs. early-career-Conan wouldn’t work better?"
K.R.Bourgoine
How absolutely dreadful!
Gary
Comments
my 4th xp for gary!
gideon_thorne wrote:
Just an odd sort of question
I was thinking of while at the book store last night. You've mentioned
here and there about a Gord story set in someone elses short story anthology
or something of the sort? Could you put forth the title of that book for
an interested reader? ^_^
Happy to oblige...to the
best of my ability.
There were two Gord short stories done in anthologies. IIRR, one was "Celebration of Celene" where Gord meets Moorcock's little-known hero, Simon. I do not recall the book's title. The other was a Gord yarn set in contemporary tme, mainly at a bar in Venice Beach. I forget the name of the story, but I believe the anthology was titled The Eternal Champion. White Wolf published one or both of the books, I am not sure which is the case. The anthologist was Ed Kramer.
I have both paperbacks around
here someplace, but finding them is likely the quest of a week's time,
so... 
Cheers,
Gary
gideon_thorne wrote:
I believe this might be
the other title?
Anthology The Pawns of Chaos:
And your story: Evening Odds.
Indeed, that is the Gord
yarn wherehe ends up at a low dive on Ocean Avenue 
Cheers,
Gary
Here is the list of most
of my short fiction that was published as individual storues. Sadly, I
can not find the Fafhrd & Grat Mouser one that runs to about 30K words
as I recall :\
...
“Return of Gord” (with K.R.
Bourgoine), Dragon Magazine #344, 2006
...
Cheerio,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry
Gary, is Gord still your
property, however? I'm assuming he is, since he's appeared in other stories
you've written.
Yes indeed, Gord is the
IP of Trigee Enterprises.
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
Mouser
Hmmm. I thought that you
retained the IP to your own PC's after the split with TSR. Perhaps I came
to this conclusion because of the deal you made with them being able to
continue the Gord books and your having included such personages.
In any event, "Oh, bugger."
Gray Mouser
Note the permission from
TSR in the five Gord books published subsequent to the initial pair that
TSR published. As those two originals have my copyright on them, there
is some question as to who really has the IP rights to all the characters
used therein, but I do not want to litigate the matter...
Cheerio,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
Mouser
Colonel,
I know you're not a big fan
of JRRT, but I do have to recommend The Children of Hurin. Only 259 pages,
and that includes the preface and introduction. It seems to me to be Tolkien's
take on Greek tragedy set in a fantasy milieu. Without dropping any spoilers
I have to just say that I got the last 1/3 (or so) of the book and thought,
"OMG, no way!" Had to go back and reread a bit just to make sure I was
following what was going on correctly 
BTW, the book also fetures
a damn cool talking sword. I'd have to think JRRT was a bit influenced
by Michael Moorecock in this area if the story hadn't been written some
time before the appearance of Stormbringer
As for your other comments,
I have to completely argee with the necessity of rereading Jack Vance on
a fairly regular basis. Rarely have I read an author whose prose I enjoyed
so much. I also hope that the outline of the new Gord novel progresses
apace. And don't forget to put in the appearance of Mordenkainen and Bigby!
(Heh, I know, I know...) 
Gray Mouser
when i am out of reading
material that I am excited about likely I will picj up The Children
of Hurin. After all, I did really enjoy reading The Hobbit.
Perhaps the "singing Sword" wielded by Prince Valiant was a source of inspiration
for JRRT. Anyway, IIRR there are some talking swords in fairy tales. It
has been decades since I read those of Andrew Lang where I think they appear.
As for Vance, how thoroughly I agree. His prose is so exceptional that reading it is a sheer joy. I recall how I lingered over Night Lamp, wishing it were 400 or more pages in length.
Because i have had too much other stuff to do today, I have made no further progress on the detailed outline for the new Gord novel, still only nine chapters set forth. I'll add one or two more today yet...with luck.
Cheerio,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff1138
Hello Gary,
I love the Gord the Rogue novels, is there any chance you will be writing a sourcebook for C&C?
Thank you for the game you created! I bought my first book, the Monster Manual, when I was ten years old from my local grocery store of all places that had AD&D books on their shelves.
Thanks 
I have written a town sourcebook for the C&C systen, but as much of what is in the Gord books is used with permission of the owner of that IP, I donot have any plans to expand the fiction into gaming material...although a big module based on the Sea of Death would be quite possible.
As I am semi-retired now
and enjoying it, it is pretty doubtful that I will want to spend a year
of my life creating such an adventure 
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedungeondelver
YOU KNOW...once I'm done
with a couple of little projects of no large consequence 
'round here, my time will be available.
*whistling idly*
I have done a lot of detailed
"bible" material for the Yggsburgh town and castle-dungeons. I suppose
one of these days I might get around to re-reading Sea of Death
and developing a backstory that suits the plot devised, then detail the
outline of a trek into the place, side adventure springboards, and do the
like for major scenarios contained in the work.
Ah, but even that is a lot
of work, and right now I have a cold and sore throat, and I don't want
to think about it 
Cheers,
Gary
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Hello Archibael,
Whew! That is some epistle ypu posted for me... Many thanks for the very kind words.
I will answer you in three parts: first the basis for the contemplated new Gord novel, second the undetailed/unknown critters in the books, and finally the direction of the series after I parted company with TSR.
I was thinking mainly of Gord's adventures as a young man in Greyhawk, as sketched out in Night Arrant, but your suggestion for a wider-ranging tale is worth considering! I will see what my collaborator has to say, and what input John R. Troy might have in this regard.
I never developed stats for
these monsters, as none of my players were sufficiently high in level to
deal with them. I envisioned Dreggals as the egg-like, bird-like-and fish-like
demons or devils illustrated by Durer or Dore...or some similar artist.
They are relatively weak indivudually but come in companies. Maelvis were
imagined as flying demons of bat-like sort, IIRR, also of no great power
individually but strong when operating in company. A Cacodemon is shown
on the cover of Artifact of Evil. These are very bad critters.
Pamdemonium is a likely
home for them.
the course of Gord's story changed considerably after I parted from TSR...that is pretty evident from the destruction of Oerth. Tharizdun would have been neutralized in some other manner had some more palatable conclusion of my association with TSR been the case. As a matter of fact I had in mind another story that would effectively restore Oerth--an alternate one, but virtually the same as Gord's original homw world, but where Tharizdun did not exist.
It is most likely the magazine editor's response was aimed at negating the tale I wrote that destoryed the World of Greyhawk.
Cheerio,
Gary
G'Day Tewligan,
Troll Lord Games is publishing the entire seven books in the Gord series in hardback editions, beginning with Saga of Old City being released at GenCon. As I have yet to see and polish the ms. for Artifact of Evil, I can not say when the Trolls will have it available.
IIRR, there were indeed full stats for the cataboligne demon but I surely can not recall the details after all these years...and so many nw and different critters devised since that one.
Curley Greenleaf went the way of many aPC...his CRS was misplaced or lost, so he is in limbo, has been for over 20 years now. Chert, Gellor, and company were creations of mine for purposes of story telling. The elf, Melf, was a PC played by my son Luke...who resented my duping him for the scene with Keek, that I played out.
I do enjoy the opportunity
to relate virtually with so many fellow gamers here, so thank you for being
a part of the fun 
Cheers,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tewligan
Oh, really?! I had no idea
they were being republished - I'll have to grab those! When you say you
haven't gotten the manuscript for polishing, does that mean that some parts
are actually going to be rewritten? I didn't know that there were so many
Gord books - I only read the first two, although I did see that the bookstore
had a used copy of the third when I picked up SoOC. I didn't get it because
I knew I'd be tempted to read it before I found and reread the second.
Time for an eBay search, I guess...
Not only are the Trolls
doing the seven Gord the Rogue books but Piazo is reprinting the three
Magister Setne Inhetep fantasy mysteries, releasing the Anubis Murders
in trade paperback format at GenCon. I will be at their booth autographing
for an hour or two furing the con.
As for changes in the iinitial Gord novel, they are mainly stylistic--a polish as I noted. No major revision has been done.
The Gord books are
SAGA OF OLD CITY
ARTIFACT OF EVIL
CITY OF HAWKS
NIGHT ARRANT
SEA OF DEATH
DANCE OF DEMONS
COME ENDLESS DARKNESS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tewligan
Upon reading your first
paragraph, I was going to ask if these editions would have any nifty character/monster/magic
writeups included in an appendix, but I'm guessing maybe that won't be
the case since you didn't mention it when you answered the cataboligne
question. Alas. Of course, I suppose Gord can be cobbled together from
your original afterword, and some of Catty's powers are easily gleaned
from the story. I guess it's too much to hope that the original Clyde Caldwell
art is going to be included, hm?
No additional material pertaining
to the AD&D game will ever be added.
The cover artwork is not our (Trigee's) property, so it will not be reprinted.
Cheerio,
Gary
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwolf71
On a side note, you've probobly
answered this before, but are the characters of Gord, Curley Greenleaf
and co. based on PCs or were they created specifically for your novels?
Most of the characters in
the Gord novels were created for the stories. Curley Greenleaf was a PC
of mine, and Melf was my son Luke's principal PC.
We actually played out the
scene where Keek dupes Melf...for which Luke berates me to this day.
Cheerio,
Gary
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