The Demi-Plane of Shadow is the largest of these planes, and
is constructed of equal parts of the Postiv && Negativ material
planes. It is a murky realm filled with shadow monsters, some
of which have earthly incarnations (see shadow dragons in MM2).
Illusionists make USE of this plane when they
engage in the shadow walk spell. It is possible that natural ducts
could be opened up in the shadows of PMP.
The curtain surrounding this demi-plane is silver.
 

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WG7 SHADOWLANDS

I was creating a different sort of setting for the underdark, one with some new and some familiar races and monsters.
As with Shadowland and the Sea of Dust I never got to really develop the naw material, save for the Drow.

Cheers,
Gary
 
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesM
Gary,

Do you have any recollection of what Shadowland would have contained? I noticed that you produced quite a few Plane of Shadow-related monsters, spells, and items over a certain period back in the TSR days. Were these in any way related to or derived from the work you did on this unfinished/unreleased product?

Thanks.

An agathocacological plane of insubstantial stuff has always fascinated me since I began contemplating additional realms. So the shadows from A. Merritt's Creep Shadow, Creep novel were included in the AD&D game, and new and similar monsters added to the projected plane betweem light and darkness. Skip Williams was going to co-author a long adventure module and sourcebook for the place, but he decided to remain a loyal employee of Lorraine Williams instead. I have my notes, but his are amons=gst them, so doing such a worrk now is pretty much unlikely.

Cheers,
Gary

WG7 Shadowlands

merkholz wrote:
The lost Stoink ms brings up another query of mine. There is said to be a ms of Shadowlands lying around, co-written with Skip Williams, but far from finished for publication. You've said that you're not interested in putting in the time for finishing this but would you consider someone else to finish it instead? I'd really want to see what went into this project and wouldn't mind the influence of other writers or game systems.

M
 

Not only am uncertain where the notes for that module are in this catastrophy in which I dwell, but as Williams contributed to that effort, he co-owns the IP rights.
Cutting to the chase, no, I do not plan to publish anything based on that work.

Cheers,
Gary
 

Howdy Merric 
 

Quote:
Originally posted by MerricB

[snippage]

As to my next question: at some point towards the end of your time at TSR, there was an advertisement produced for a module named "Shadowland" or "Shadowlord", by yourself and Skip Williams, "A high-level module set in the World of Greyhawk. Journey to the perilous Plane of Shadow to rescue Princess Esterilla and confront the master of the plane... where you find yourself an unexpected guest at a wedding where the guests include a lizardman, a catlord, and a mistress of illusion!".

Had you done much design work for the module, or was it still mainly conceptual?

I guess a few of the ideas from the module made their way into the Gord the Rogue books?
 

Cheers!
Skip and I had done a good deal of work. the plot had been outlined, various new monsters sketched out, and the descriptive text worked up.

When the dispute about share ownership arose, the project was tabled, of course. After losing the decision in court, that pretty well canned the project, as neither Skip nor I could proceed alone, for the material developed was clearly a co-mingling of ideas. Of course now the work could be written, and somewhere Gail assures me the notes are on file. Not likely to see the light of day, Shadowland 

The idea of the Catlord was mine own, and that was used in the Gord novels. The Plane of Shadow was not.

Cheers,
Gary
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirth
<EEK!> I for one would LOVE to see this, Gary.
Any possibility of contacting Skip and tweaking this enough to release under d20 or OGL? (That assumes that the material is still around and both of you are even interested, of course  )

Jay
 

Well, Jay...

The notes are still in a file somewhere in the basement here, anbd they can be found, wife Gail assures me.
However, in regards to Skip, he seems uninclined to go forward.
I proposed we do that back around 1996, and at that time he declined.
Since then I've heard nothing from him.
Of course I could go ahead and develop the material on my own, but there is a co-mingling of ideas, so Skip would have a half interest in it.
As I have plenty of other work, I'm not about to do all the design and share payments with him without his equal input 

Cheers,
Gary
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anson Caralya
And an unrelated question for you: shortly after "Isle of the Ape" appeared (1985?), I clearly remember reading a catalog listing for another upcoming very high level adventure of yours, something to do with the Shadowland and ... a wedding? Am I deluded, or was a project meeting that description in the works at some point? And what became of it?

Shadowland was a module that Skip williams and I were in process of writing when the trouble came and I left TSR. I suggested thereafter that we complete the wotk, but Skip demurred. No more need be said...

Cheers,
Gary
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anson Caralya
Yet another casualty of that time... I'll honor your closing remark and pry no further on that subject. Cheers!

Yuppers, ask Skip why Shadowland never went forward alter we collected all manner of notes and created new monsters to inhabit the plane.

Cheers,
Gary
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anson Caralya
Argh!!! Is my memory correct that it was geared towards very high level, similar to "Isle of the Ape"? Did any of your shadowy thoughts from that project make it into "City of Hawks" ('87)?

The module was for high-level PCs, 12th and up IIRR.

As the work was collaborative, I have not used any of it elsewhere.

Cheers,
Gary
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anson Caralya
another upcoming very high level adventure of yours, something to do with the Shadowland and ... a wedding?

<frankmenzter.gif>
Hmm... maybe that refers to the time my good friends Gary Gygax and James M. Ward agreed to be ushers at my wedding... (a lejendary event to be sure).

(edit: Yes, I know of the wedding mentioned in the olde Shadowlands promo blurb.)
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesM
Gary,

Do you have any recollection of what Shadowland would have contained? I noticed that you produced quite a few Plane of Shadow-related monsters, spells, and items over a certain period back in the TSR days. Were these in any way related to or derived from the work you did on this unfinished/unreleased product?

Thanks.

An agathocacological plane of insubstantial stuff has always fascinated me since I began contemplating additional realms. So the shadows from A. Merritt's Creep Shadow, Creep novel were included in the AD&D game, and new and similar monsters added to the projected plane betweem light and darkness. Skip Williams was going to co-author a long adventure module and sourcebook for the place, but he decided to remain a loyal employee of Lorraine Williams instead. I have my notes, but his are amons=gst them, so doing such a worrk now is pretty much unlikely.

Cheers,
Gary
 

James M: 4. One of the many "lost" D&D supplements about which gamers still talk is Shadowland, a product that would have detailed the Plane of Shadow. According to Gary, this was to have been a collaboration between himself and you. Do you remember anything about this project or why it never came to pass?

Skip Williams: I remember quite a bit abut the project, and I came very close to getting it rolling again a few years ago. It involved an expedition to the Plane of Shadow where the party would discover, shades, shadow dragons, and several of those enigmatic quasi-deities Gary was always pulling out of his hat. My notes on the plane eventually were co-opted for the Planescape setting.

What killed the project, mostly, was lack of time. Gary became interested in getting a D&D Movie off the ground, and I was interested in my college homework and eventually in running the Gen Con Game Fair. Somehow, the two of us never got back together to finish the thing.

- Grognardia (Interview with Skip Williams)